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		<title>Comment on Congress Considers Helping Patent Trolls? by Paul F. Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.patentspostgrant.com/lang/en/2013/06/congress-considers-helping-patent-trolls/comment-page-1#comment-621678</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul F. Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  the idea of requiring some kind of Markman Hearing in a PTAB proceeding, with the usual &quot;nose of wax&quot; arguments for adding limitations to claims that are not in the claims, w/o any amendment, [to avoid prior art] and/or to broaden parts of the claim interpretation for later infringement arguments, with claim intepretations that frequently even CAFC judges frequently cannot agree on between themselves in litigated patents, is a terrible idea, and is clearly PRO-troll!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  the idea of requiring some kind of Markman Hearing in a PTAB proceeding, with the usual &#8220;nose of wax&#8221; arguments for adding limitations to claims that are not in the claims, w/o any amendment, [to avoid prior art] and/or to broaden parts of the claim interpretation for later infringement arguments, with claim intepretations that frequently even CAFC judges frequently cannot agree on between themselves in litigated patents, is a terrible idea, and is clearly PRO-troll!</p>
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		<title>Comment on White House Jumps on Growing Patent Reform Bandwagon by V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 13:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t anyone suggesting making maintenance fees annual?  It would be expensive for the little guy, sure, but not as much as a bond or &quot;loser pays&quot; rules, and some of these patents would have been abandoned by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t anyone suggesting making maintenance fees annual?  It would be expensive for the little guy, sure, but not as much as a bond or &#8220;loser pays&#8221; rules, and some of these patents would have been abandoned by now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Patent Reform Palooza Hits Congress Summer 2013 by Scott A. McKeown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott A. McKeown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kip,

The PTAB considers grounds of unpatentability, and allows for amendments. Ultimately, all reexaminations go to the PTAB under the BRI standard. If consistency is the concern asking PTAB judges to put on diffferent claim construction hats for different proceedings doesn&#039;t make any sense at all to me.

I think the intent of this provision is to force the PTAB away from BRI to a pure Philips analysis.  Adding in the 282 presumption is likely just negotiation fodder, no way that gets support in this anti-patent environment.

Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kip,</p>
<p>The PTAB considers grounds of unpatentability, and allows for amendments. Ultimately, all reexaminations go to the PTAB under the BRI standard. If consistency is the concern asking PTAB judges to put on diffferent claim construction hats for different proceedings doesn&#8217;t make any sense at all to me.</p>
<p>I think the intent of this provision is to force the PTAB away from BRI to a pure Philips analysis.  Adding in the 282 presumption is likely just negotiation fodder, no way that gets support in this anti-patent environment.</p>
<p>Scott</p>
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		<title>Comment on Patent Reform Palooza Hits Congress Summer 2013 by Kip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 12:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You almost sound sad that Congress is trying to make it harder to kill patents!

To my knowledge, the postgrant validity/revocation trials are *not* patentability proceedings, as you say.  They are not denominated &quot;examination&quot; or &quot;reexamination.&quot;  There is no examiner.  There is no CRU.  The PTAB has even made this clear to petitions who have tried to use these proceedings like traditional reexamination: these proceedings are *trials* and the burden is on the petition, not the PTO or anyone else, to prove invalidity.

In view of the above, it makes perfect sense to use district court type claim construction.  (The best policy would be to always use that type of claim construction - but that&#039;s an argument for another day.)

The alternative, which the PTAB currently uses, threatens to eviscerate the presumption of validity.  Why even have a presumption of validity if you can just hail the patentee back into the PTO, where the presumption disappears?  Are the &quot;more likely than not&quot; type standards for grating petitions enough to justify throwing out the entire presumption?

And how much sense does it make to have different forums construing claims in completely different ways?  What does that do for predictability, stability, repose, and uniformity of patent law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You almost sound sad that Congress is trying to make it harder to kill patents!</p>
<p>To my knowledge, the postgrant validity/revocation trials are *not* patentability proceedings, as you say.  They are not denominated &#8220;examination&#8221; or &#8220;reexamination.&#8221;  There is no examiner.  There is no CRU.  The PTAB has even made this clear to petitions who have tried to use these proceedings like traditional reexamination: these proceedings are *trials* and the burden is on the petition, not the PTO or anyone else, to prove invalidity.</p>
<p>In view of the above, it makes perfect sense to use district court type claim construction.  (The best policy would be to always use that type of claim construction &#8211; but that&#8217;s an argument for another day.)</p>
<p>The alternative, which the PTAB currently uses, threatens to eviscerate the presumption of validity.  Why even have a presumption of validity if you can just hail the patentee back into the PTO, where the presumption disappears?  Are the &#8220;more likely than not&#8221; type standards for grating petitions enough to justify throwing out the entire presumption?</p>
<p>And how much sense does it make to have different forums construing claims in completely different ways?  What does that do for predictability, stability, repose, and uniformity of patent law?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is it Malpractice to File a Declaratory Judgment of Invalidity After the AIA? by Scott A. McKeown</title>
		<link>http://www.patentspostgrant.com/lang/en/2013/04/is-it-malpractice-to-favor-costlier-patent-litigation-over-the-ptab/comment-page-1#comment-578803</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott A. McKeown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

I think the situation was far less likely to come to a head in the reexamination context. A DJ filing did not preclude a later reexamination filing, and, in any event, reexamination took too long to matter. As with many patent dispute strategies, the speed of the PTAB is disrupting accepted practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>I think the situation was far less likely to come to a head in the reexamination context. A DJ filing did not preclude a later reexamination filing, and, in any event, reexamination took too long to matter. As with many patent dispute strategies, the speed of the PTAB is disrupting accepted practices.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is it Malpractice to File a Declaratory Judgment of Invalidity After the AIA? by Paul F. Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul F. Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt if the law firms this should scare are reading this blog or considering this issue themselves, as it includes all the firms that should have already been counseling clients to file timely inter partes reexaminations for some years now. 
 The other problem with DJ invalidity suits you should note is that they invariably trigger an infringement suit counterclaim which greatly expands discovery costs for defendant&#039;s products and sales, and other infringement issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if the law firms this should scare are reading this blog or considering this issue themselves, as it includes all the firms that should have already been counseling clients to file timely inter partes reexaminations for some years now.<br />
 The other problem with DJ invalidity suits you should note is that they invariably trigger an infringement suit counterclaim which greatly expands discovery costs for defendant&#8217;s products and sales, and other infringement issues.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where Are All the Business Method Patent Challenges? by Paul F. Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul F. Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene Quinn&#039;s blog argued that this low initial CBM usuage shows there is not really a problem with business method claims.  I responded, since there seems to me to be ample such litigation,  and other and better reasons. First, patent attorneys are a conservative bunch, both as decision-making clients and as O.C. relying on litigation.  Look as how many years it took for many of them to embrace effectively using reexaminations.   Also, this new system may be a bit challenging for those without [comparable] prior PTO interference trial experience, and unwilling to get advice from any of those few experts. I also doubt if the important advantages of CBM as compared to ordinary PGR or even IPR are well enough understood in general. CLE on that is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene Quinn&#8217;s blog argued that this low initial CBM usuage shows there is not really a problem with business method claims.  I responded, since there seems to me to be ample such litigation,  and other and better reasons. First, patent attorneys are a conservative bunch, both as decision-making clients and as O.C. relying on litigation.  Look as how many years it took for many of them to embrace effectively using reexaminations.   Also, this new system may be a bit challenging for those without [comparable] prior PTO interference trial experience, and unwilling to get advice from any of those few experts. I also doubt if the important advantages of CBM as compared to ordinary PGR or even IPR are well enough understood in general. CLE on that is needed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on USPTO Post Grant Fees Cut on March 19th by Scott A. McKeown</title>
		<link>http://www.patentspostgrant.com/lang/en/2013/03/uspto-post-grant-fees-cut-on-march-19th/comment-page-1#comment-546885</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott A. McKeown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

Yes, that occurred to me as well. Misrepresentation as a small entity was guarded by inequitable conduct for patent owners...not so for challengers.

For example, what would stop a requester from just claiming micro entity status and filing anonymously to save $9000? I guess the short answer is their registration # would....registered practitioners are unlikely to pull that kind of stunt. Still, for those requests for reexam submitted by the public (few as they are), are much more difficult to police.

As to creating shell organizations, that is a long way to go to save a few thousand bucks. I don&#039;t worry about that one as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>Yes, that occurred to me as well. Misrepresentation as a small entity was guarded by inequitable conduct for patent owners&#8230;not so for challengers.</p>
<p>For example, what would stop a requester from just claiming micro entity status and filing anonymously to save $9000? I guess the short answer is their registration # would&#8230;.registered practitioners are unlikely to pull that kind of stunt. Still, for those requests for reexam submitted by the public (few as they are), are much more difficult to police.</p>
<p>As to creating shell organizations, that is a long way to go to save a few thousand bucks. I don&#8217;t worry about that one as much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on USPTO Post Grant Fees Cut on March 19th by Tony Petro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Petro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The introduction of small/micro-entity discounts for post-grant requesters raises questions I haven&#039;t fully thought through.  Previously, small entity status was entirely defined with respect to an entity&#039;s rights in an *application* (or patent)--i.e., whether or not the application had been assigned, plus other factors.

But a TPR by definition has no interest in the patent for which post-grant proceedings are requested.  With respect to ex parte reexam in particular, in which disclosure of the real party in interest isn&#039;t required, what&#039;s to prevent a party from creating a small entity and filing the request through that entity?  

Although the PTO repeatedly warns of the perils of committing fraud on the Office by improperly claiming small entity status, it&#039;s not clear to me that it would be strictly improper to do so under the rules that predicate small entity status on the status of a patent or application.  And I don&#039;t immediately see how this rule package changes that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The introduction of small/micro-entity discounts for post-grant requesters raises questions I haven&#8217;t fully thought through.  Previously, small entity status was entirely defined with respect to an entity&#8217;s rights in an *application* (or patent)&#8211;i.e., whether or not the application had been assigned, plus other factors.</p>
<p>But a TPR by definition has no interest in the patent for which post-grant proceedings are requested.  With respect to ex parte reexam in particular, in which disclosure of the real party in interest isn&#8217;t required, what&#8217;s to prevent a party from creating a small entity and filing the request through that entity?  </p>
<p>Although the PTO repeatedly warns of the perils of committing fraud on the Office by improperly claiming small entity status, it&#8217;s not clear to me that it would be strictly improper to do so under the rules that predicate small entity status on the status of a patent or application.  And I don&#8217;t immediately see how this rule package changes that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is There Value To Ex Parte Patent Reexamination After the AIA? by Scott A. McKeown</title>
		<link>http://www.patentspostgrant.com/lang/en/2013/02/is-there-value-in-ex-parte-patent-reexamination-after-the-aia/comment-page-1#comment-526295</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott A. McKeown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurtis,

It is true that there is no statutory estoppel in ex part reexam. Yet, in my experience, the ability to reuse failed reexam arguments in a later proceeding is of little practical value. That is to say, when three examiners of the Central Reexamination Unit disregard your submitted art, the patent is effectively &quot;laundered&quot; in that regard.
 
As to the &quot;reasonably could have raised&quot; component of statutory estoppel, while also not present in ex parte reexam, the stigma of the previous failed challenge is a fact that resonates with judges and juries. What I am seeing is small companies clinging to ex parte reexam for cost reasons. Larger organizations will employ it occasionally in combination with other litigation/post grant strategies, but for time sensitive or pressing business concerns, inter partes challenges are the clear choice.
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurtis,</p>
<p>It is true that there is no statutory estoppel in ex part reexam. Yet, in my experience, the ability to reuse failed reexam arguments in a later proceeding is of little practical value. That is to say, when three examiners of the Central Reexamination Unit disregard your submitted art, the patent is effectively &#8220;laundered&#8221; in that regard.</p>
<p>As to the &#8220;reasonably could have raised&#8221; component of statutory estoppel, while also not present in ex parte reexam, the stigma of the previous failed challenge is a fact that resonates with judges and juries. What I am seeing is small companies clinging to ex parte reexam for cost reasons. Larger organizations will employ it occasionally in combination with other litigation/post grant strategies, but for time sensitive or pressing business concerns, inter partes challenges are the clear choice.<br />
Scott</p>
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